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Jazmin's avatar

Nice article, I'd consider myself a product manager/domain expert turned vibe coder, its pretty insane and extremely empowering the things I'm able to achieve without a traditional dev now.

Don't forget Lovable as a tool, amazing how fast these vibe coding products are shipping!

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Chris Tottman's avatar

We've gone from 500k Product Leaders & 4.5m Devs creating 10000 products per year to 5m coders vibing creating 10000 products per day ! 🤯 So exciting & scary at the same time 😮

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Martin 🏹's avatar

Another great post Chris & Ruben!. The biggest unlock for me is autonomy. For example domain experts no longer need to ‘convince’ engineers to build their ideas. They can test, learn, and iterate directly. That changes the entire pace of innovation.

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Chris Tottman's avatar

100x more apps being launched per day and climbing. Apps will start to resemble the challenge of content - buyers will be overwhelmed 😮

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Paul Crick's avatar

This is interesting particularly for someone like me who couldn’t code in BASIC when it came out. You hit the nail on the head though when you talk about answering the question of developing what and what for. Many apps are getting better at doing this but there is still significant room for improvement.

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David C's avatar

Great article Cris and Ruben! As you mention, moving past Fig jam to define the workflow - Automation / logic is a big step now in vibe coding a product. https://lindy.ai https://n8n.io and https://make.com, https://zapier.com are the key no-code automation tools. I had not heard of https://www.autocode.app. Please do a deep dive on these tools!

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Chris Tottman's avatar

We will see what we can do !

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Vinit Gurjar's avatar

Thanks for sharing your knowledge 😊

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Chris Tottman's avatar

My pleasure - so much value add in my feed and newsletter 😄 feel free to use and repurpose it ⭐

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Johny "One" Purple's avatar

Hmmm:) as you go into details, it is more likely good for 0 to 0.4:) then you need real developers:)))) cursor, lovable, bolt, ie all of them. Had few of our startups build a first prototype there, but mostly what you find out later is that you need to rewrite it completely:)

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Chris Tottman's avatar

This is commonly true. Anything complicated needs genuine expertise. Anything truly valuable needs more than genuine expertise 🌟

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Andrea Hiott's avatar

I really appreciate the way you roll

out the landscape here. Thank you!

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Chris Tottman's avatar

So kind - definitely appreciate the feedback ☺️

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Jonas Braadbaart's avatar

Great overview! I had a look at which vibe coding tool produced the best design not that long ago, might be interesting for some of you 😊 https://youtu.be/loaI82_lLW0

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Chris Tottman's avatar

Thanks Jonas - I'll check this out for sure 😁

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keith newman's avatar

Love me some RR - Thanks for the compliment - I would be honored to have you as a subscriber - paid or unpaid and don’t hesitate if there is something of interest to follow up on or where I can help. Keith, the Startup Whisperer @ https://keithnewman.substack.com/?utm_campaign=profile_chips

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Mauricio Prieto's avatar

Fantastic article. THX!

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Chris Tottman's avatar

Glad you like it my friend - I hope all is well 🙏

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Hugo Rauch's avatar

Love it!

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Chris Tottman's avatar

Thanks for the message 🙂 much appreciated

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Karim Hyatt's avatar

I'm currently building a scalable cloud-ready app with cursor. What I've realised is that you need to.constantly be on your ties or it will take shortcuts and kill your architecture.

The best way is to get it to write the spec, write the tests, write the code, debug. Just like you're coding.

More importantly you need to understand microservice architecture. If you don't know what you're doing, you will have a massive mess that'll take a while to sort out.

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